Why do people hate ulfric

You barely talk to him throughout the game really so not like you get to know him or anything. When you're about to be executed he appears to be facing it with courage alongside the men who fought with him. Doesn't appear to be soiling his trousers or anything, and is still very calm and collected when Alduin attacks.

The Empire spreads rumours around about him a ton, the game is filled with rumours about Ulfric kind of dissapointing with him being so weak but rumours are exactly that. They aren't trustworthy! For all we know Ulfric never really even shouted the high king but used a spell! The only thing we know for sure about him character wise is that he does not like the Dark Elves in the Gray Quarter, but does not appear to dislike the race overall since the player can be a dark elf.

I've heard people say he is simply after power. Maybe maybe not. The Imperials say he is and the stormcloaks say he is not. When you speak to him he tries to redirect your focus away from HIM and onto the stolen religious rights and "freedoms" of Skyrim's people. Which is not only a smart political move but implies to me he does not see it all about him. Also his pal Galmar who he fought the war with.

Galmar seems to believe Ulfric's intentions are true after spending so many years fighting with him that is something to take regard of, especially since Galmar is not the subtle type. Not implying he is a good guy but saying he is a bad guy seems to be going a bit too far. I could say Tulius is a bad guy because in his final speech he trivializes the war itself and those who died in it, but if I claimed he was a bad guy from it it might be taking it a bit too far.

I'm just trying to understand the reasoning for thinking he is a villain. Ulfric offers the general a chance to surrender and live if you side with him. The general does not do the same for Ulfric. Still not saying Tulius is necesarily a bad guy although to me he seems less honorable. Just a point. Last edited by Maloy20 ; 8 Jul, pm. Showing 1 - 15 of comments. I think most people just take umbrage with the rascist side of Stormcloak dogma.

I don't think anyone doubts Ulfric's courage or leadership but Originally posted by The Baron :. Arcamean View Profile View Posts.

Well it depends are you going by meta knowledge? Or First encounters? If RPing, does your character have prior knowledge into Thalmor operations? Honestly I think a lot of people side against him as the baron said the Rasist dogma. The Stormcloaks are always saying "If you know any true sons or daughters of skyrim Well first of all you're not from Skyrim else why would you be enroute to the headsman block? The flip side to that is while the female imperial captain did order your execution.

Why would he have someone executed for little more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time? When I side with the stormcloaks I rarely do so because my character believes his mantra. I do so because my character either hates the empire in general or simply wants a land where elves can't tell him who he can worship.

Oh I'm certain they do! My tendency is to side wit the Stormcloaks, nothing like a good liberationist movement, but I'm honestly not fond of either faction. Ok, I know there are a million threads about the civil war but just hear me out. I know that the empire and the Stormcloaks are supposed to have both good and bad sides, but I just can't find anything wrong with the Stormclaok rebellion.

Feel free to disagree with my opinions all you want, but here me out. And also, according to the book the Great War, the empire destroyed the Dominion's main army in Cyrodiil. Meaning that while the empire's army was crippled, the Dominion had the lower hand as they had no army left in Cyrodiil. So the white gold concordat really was entirely pointless.

The empire obviously knows this but just spread propaganda about it. Also, considering that the city of Markarth is now filled with non massacred people, it can be assumed that the book is, at best, exadarated and at worst complete propaganda although the forsworn were defeated no after what, ulfric's actions in the city are unproven.

While some of his fellows are yes we're looking at you Galmar he is neutral on the racial crisis in his city. He has to fight a huge military power with a mostly untrained militia and limited researches and has little time to worry about much else. He did however allow the last Dragonborn to join regardless of his race and allows a Dunmer and a Redguards to live in the wealthier aria of the city.

What's more is that the Dunmer hate the Nords more than the Nords hate them. They're all Daedra worshipers, slave owners and treat non elves as if they're animals. And even they rant as bad as the Thalmor, who by the way are being supported by the empire,. He truly cares about his cause, his people and his country and believes, and knows, he's doing the right thing. Tulius meanwhile is an arrogant, careless, culturally insensitive, snobbish deuche.

When I came into castle dour for the first time, I overheard him wining about Nords and they're "damn sense of honor". Furthermore, considering the way that he is governing solitude instead of Elisief, I'm pretty certain that after he wins the civil war he was planning to usurp the throne of Skyrim for himself. I think that last part was a little bit uncalled for. In-fact I'd go as far as to say he suffers from what I like to call "Hellscream Syndrome". If any of you have played World of Warcraft and know the lore then you know how much people hate Garrosh Hellscream.

Thing is if you look back at his track record he really wasn't that bad and only recently started acting like a total racist monster. I've speculated that the reason for this is simply because Blizzard wanted someone that the player base could hate and want to kill. However, the entire thing just comes across as "out of character" if you've actually followed Hellscream's development up until now. I feel that Ulfric and his Stormcloaks are being treated the same. It really doesn't make much sense outside the fact that Bethesda wanted people to dislike them for them to do some of the things they've done.

Anyway, tell me why you like or hate Ulfric and if you're so inclined discuss my theory or post your own. Ulfric and his band of bloodthirsty redneck stormcloaks have a very vague idea of their rebellion, if this "True Nord" wants to go to battle he should take arms and join the bandits or "You should try mercenary work, it might suite you. SUCK eggs you wannabes, come back when "The true sons and daughters of skyrim" want a rebellion worth rebelling for.

I'm relatively certain the Aldmeri Dominion has a navy that can transport a sizable force to Skyrim's northern borders with the Sea of Ghoasts. He was captured during the Great War and personally tortured by Elenwen into giving information about the Legion. What he didn't know is that the war was over and they were beating a dead horse for pleasure. Once he was released, he felt ashamed for what he'd done. He challenged the High King because he would not listen to the population.

Torygg wanted to side with Ulfric, but valued the Empire over freedom of religion. Some would say his judgement was right. Contrary to some fools, and according to Sybille Stentor and Ulfric, Ulfric defeated Torygg in fair combat. Yes, he did use a shout. But it was the sword's tip that pierced Torygg's chest, and the sword's tip that killed him.

Some cry foul, but all in all, it was fair play. One flaw with Ulfric, however, is that he is slightly impatient and his fiery temper can sometimes get the best of him. Usually he is calm and cautious, like most military leaders, but he can charge aggressively into battle.

One could compare him to George Washington, and the fact that he is only sometimes a good strategist. Still, although he can be brash at times, he is seldom found charging into battle with no plan. I think he's okay, because everyone has their flaws. The loyalists that's my word for the Imperials say the Empire needs more time to rebuild so they can attack the Dominion again. Probably not a good idea, seeing as the Dominion is also rebuilding. It's been 25 years already, and the Legion is still mighty.